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338 lapua v. 338-378 weatherby
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<blockquote data-quote="RDM416" data-source="post: 443879" data-attributes="member: 3745"><p>Laupua Guy, </p><p></p><p>I was not trying to come off as a "know it all". On this site we are interested in trying to help each other become the best "long range hunters" and shooters. A part of that is understanding the technical nature of long range rifles, ballistics and shooting. During the years I have been posting on this site I have made statements several times that were just wrong...... sometimes just a mistake on my part (I intended to say 3350 and said 3450 or some such thing), other times I simply did not understand due to lack of knowledge or experience. Every time, someone with more experience than I have corrected me, or we at least had a civil conversation until we agreed to disagree. </p><p></p><p>Now as far as your reply post to me:</p><p></p><p>You can believe whatever you want about the ballistic performance of the Lapua vs the 338/378. What you believe does not make it so, but you can believe it anyway and I am not going to argue with you. You can believe all you want that a Lapua will out perform a 338/378, that does not make it true. (Hint: you can't compare different bullets or weights) Just because the military has some long range "kills" with the Lapua is meaningless. The various sporter calibers and wildcats we are shooting are not used by the military and we are hunting "game" not people. I dare to say that there are many on this site who have "confirmed kills" on critters with a variety of rifles and calibers that far exceeds any "confirmed kills" with a Lapua on the battlefield. By the way, if I am not mistaken, the longest military confirmed kill is not with a Lapua anyway......... it was at 1.5 miles with a 50 BMG. But again, believe what you want. </p><p></p><p>The part of your post I simply will not let slide by is where you called me a "liar". Yes, I do own 2 338 Khan's, a search of the archives of this site will turn up evidence of that fact. Second as far saying I am lying about my shooting skill or the accuracy of my rifles....... Just check in with "Bravo 4" on this site. He is a military sniper / trainer and shoots with me. We were just out shooting a couple of weeks ago at 1000 yards, he will confirm the fact that I and my rifles are capable of shooting just as I said on my previous post........ and he can do the same and even better with his 338 Edge. </p><p></p><p>I re-read my original post and maybe I did come across a little strong. I was not trying to make a personal attack and I am sorry if you took it that way. I learned many years ago to never discuss rifle performance and ballistics at deer camp. Every one in camp thinks their chosen rifle / caliber is the "best" out there for hunting deer and trying to discuss actual ballistics simply starts arguments. That is the difference with this site and "deer camp". On this site we will compare and discuss the ballistic performance of different rounds, the terminal performance, accuracy and many other factors of the long range rifles we shoot. We all try to stay away from the "Ford vs Chevy" mentality of "my rifle is better than yours". Many of us will post reports of our shooting sessions and we are not bragging, we are simply sharing our successes with others on the site, we also frequently post of the times when we had bad days or made stupid screw ups...... it's part of the learning process. Although I have been playing the long range game for 10 years or so now, I am still a novice compared to many of the guys on this site, and have a lot to learn. You can learn a lot from them as well......... if you are willing to listen. Good luck, and good day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RDM416, post: 443879, member: 3745"] Laupua Guy, I was not trying to come off as a "know it all". On this site we are interested in trying to help each other become the best "long range hunters" and shooters. A part of that is understanding the technical nature of long range rifles, ballistics and shooting. During the years I have been posting on this site I have made statements several times that were just wrong...... sometimes just a mistake on my part (I intended to say 3350 and said 3450 or some such thing), other times I simply did not understand due to lack of knowledge or experience. Every time, someone with more experience than I have corrected me, or we at least had a civil conversation until we agreed to disagree. Now as far as your reply post to me: You can believe whatever you want about the ballistic performance of the Lapua vs the 338/378. What you believe does not make it so, but you can believe it anyway and I am not going to argue with you. You can believe all you want that a Lapua will out perform a 338/378, that does not make it true. (Hint: you can't compare different bullets or weights) Just because the military has some long range "kills" with the Lapua is meaningless. The various sporter calibers and wildcats we are shooting are not used by the military and we are hunting "game" not people. I dare to say that there are many on this site who have "confirmed kills" on critters with a variety of rifles and calibers that far exceeds any "confirmed kills" with a Lapua on the battlefield. By the way, if I am not mistaken, the longest military confirmed kill is not with a Lapua anyway......... it was at 1.5 miles with a 50 BMG. But again, believe what you want. The part of your post I simply will not let slide by is where you called me a "liar". Yes, I do own 2 338 Khan's, a search of the archives of this site will turn up evidence of that fact. Second as far saying I am lying about my shooting skill or the accuracy of my rifles....... Just check in with "Bravo 4" on this site. He is a military sniper / trainer and shoots with me. We were just out shooting a couple of weeks ago at 1000 yards, he will confirm the fact that I and my rifles are capable of shooting just as I said on my previous post........ and he can do the same and even better with his 338 Edge. I re-read my original post and maybe I did come across a little strong. I was not trying to make a personal attack and I am sorry if you took it that way. I learned many years ago to never discuss rifle performance and ballistics at deer camp. Every one in camp thinks their chosen rifle / caliber is the "best" out there for hunting deer and trying to discuss actual ballistics simply starts arguments. That is the difference with this site and "deer camp". On this site we will compare and discuss the ballistic performance of different rounds, the terminal performance, accuracy and many other factors of the long range rifles we shoot. We all try to stay away from the "Ford vs Chevy" mentality of "my rifle is better than yours". Many of us will post reports of our shooting sessions and we are not bragging, we are simply sharing our successes with others on the site, we also frequently post of the times when we had bad days or made stupid screw ups...... it's part of the learning process. Although I have been playing the long range game for 10 years or so now, I am still a novice compared to many of the guys on this site, and have a lot to learn. You can learn a lot from them as well......... if you are willing to listen. Good luck, and good day. [/QUOTE]
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